Actually, Thras didn't tell us that he was using his 'game' as a move to establish us as a neutral party. Which, considering the circumstances was wise. But I couldn't tell you what his aims are or what really motivates him. I intended to get a history lesson from him and he distracted me with disturbing information.
[So he hadn't known about it. Komaeda sets his sandwich down on his plate and shakes his head. Despite his companion's horror, he is just serious and calm. It's all things he's heard and dealt with before. But, at the same time it's the plans weaving their way through his mind like delicate webs.]
The situation happened while we were in Shaarnath. Likely caused by the reveal of the city. I believe it's public knowledge what the world below looks like. To find an ancient enemy survived...not being the last didn't matter to them in the face of old hate.
While many understand the Arehtei are not beings of destruction, you will find those who will think it anyway. It's human nature. Whether these thoughts are brought about by desire for power, sorrow, rage, hate, or even fear. Or perhaps even a desire to shatter the chains of something vast over their heads...
[He stares at his own hands, seeing the past Peromei had showed him in his mind's eyes. The terrible destruction played out again in the thunder of hooves and shouts of the soldiers.] Some will fall to the 'darkness in the hearts of man'. Just as they did in their history before the Calamity or 'Emotional Disturbance' as Thras called it.
Only Daimonia and Thras possibly remember what happened to cause this world to fall. Whether they'll tell us or not. Perhaps some wreckage of civilization survived. But I don't need my luck to say these events in motion right now are reflections of that time.
Yeah, I tried to figure out what was going on in Shaarnath and didn't get very far. But that's where I met her and by the time we were done talking, I was pretty confused. I didn't hear anything about riots while I was there.
[Which shouldn't really surprise anyone. If he'd been in Verens, that would've been a different story. He listens intently to what Nagito says, not really getting everything but understanding enough to be disgusted.]
So, you're telling me that they fought against the Arehtei before and when Shaarnath appeared they just assumed something bad and attacked?
That's what history suggests. Only it wasn't the clash of hopes one would expect from a war. I have reason to believe...joy and grief, bravery and fear were in equal measures allowing Thras and Daimonia to retain themselves. [He holds up a finger and waves it once to indicate his first point. He has more thoughts in mind, and they're not going to be pretty.]
I believe there were anti-factions before. Or at the very least at some point the frustrations of those unhappy with the Arehtei grew to a head. And you're familiar with what we've said about Arehtei coming here, are you not?
[Lloyd seems to be parsing what he's saying but he's still not taking it as fast as he would if it were a class trial.]
[Lloyd can keep up when it's something really important. He's gotten a lot better about it. And this sounds very important and something he can't afford to forget. There's no Raine or Genis to remember and remind him later. He's gotta do it for himself now.]
I can understand about people being dissatisfied with how the Arehtei could be in the past, I guess. That makes some sense, but not for now.
No, I'm not really sure what that means? I mean, I heard about what happened with Sosyne showed up. She was really angry and destroyed a lot of buildings and stuff. But... I mean, I've only seen Thras appear and the others were just here already. Plus, some of the stuff that people talk about doesn't really get clarified really well for me to understand it, so I just...don't bother with it.
Well! Allow me to explain what they haven't bothered to. [Nagito spreads his hands out with a faint smile of his face. He's hardly surprised that it has to be explained. People at town hall seemed reluctant to even break things down. They should have been combing over every detail not shouting back and forth like foolish and arrogant politicians.
Idiots.]
Originally, all but Thras and Daimonia were corrupted. Even Elios. Each time an emotional swing happens, one of the Arehtei comes here. Elios was cleansed by love but not before causing a lot of destruction.
Peromei we lured away from the city and she brought forth a maze. Sosyne raged and caused others to rage...
I only heard it got worse as the battle between her and Elios raged on. Elios shielded her. But that's not the important part.
Now imagine... [He picks up his spoon and holds it just on the top of his coffee.]
This is how it was. And as they grew unhappy with their society, including the Arehtei... [He slowly lowers the spoon into the liquid.]
Peromei said 'darkness took the hearts of man'. Connected as deeply as they are to humans, what do you think happened to them in the process?
Corrupted as they were. What do you think the Arehtei did in reply? [The answer is just as simple. Just as nasty as the plain statement Lloyd had just made. Nagito isn't smiling anymore. Whatever thoughts or emotions he has are locked up. His eyes are sharp, watchful as if he's merely waiting to act.]
[He takes a minute to think things through to the end and he doesn't like the answer he comes up with.]
Well, I don't know anyone that likes to be forced to feel a lot of negative things, so they probably attacked in response. I mean, they have two sides, right? Like Thras has courage and cowardice and Peromei has hope and despair. So, if they were filled with too much negative, they'd be more likely to do negative things.
[Komaeda smiles a bit too widely. Lloyd has common sense which makes him a hell of a lot better than his fellow classmates he had to lead around by the strings. This would be about the time most realize Nagito is vastly unstable.
Still.
After a second the smile vanishes as he continues in an almost casual tone.]
Mm, something like that! This is where it gets a little tricky. The way Thras talked about it differs from what Peromei showed me. I would consider it much closer to the sheer weight of the negativity they endured caused a mental breakdown in all of them.
Including, the world herself. Possibly. It's a theory of mine that the Arehtei include the World's Consciousness. It would make sense! Naturally I can't confirm it since Simpathis seems not only protected but the other Arehtei say little about their nature!
[Lloyd eyes Nagito's smile, wary but not for a reason he can put his finger on. It was his innate "animal instincts" that had kept him alive thus far and luck, no matter what Genis wanted to say. And that smile is almost as disturbing as Mithos himself had sometimes been, before it was gone.
The swift change is just as disturbing for its timing more than anything else, but he realizes that he does trust his friend but something about the conversation has caused the strange behavior.]
Well, I'm sure that it's different from two of them because they're not the same. They'd look at the same thing differently. Like you and I could see the identical stuff and still not see it exactly the same way. That's the way it works in my experience.
But what you're saying is that all the negative emotions caused them all to go crazy? And who's this Simpathis? I've never heard of that before.
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[So he hadn't known about it. Komaeda sets his sandwich down on his plate and shakes his head. Despite his companion's horror, he is just serious and calm. It's all things he's heard and dealt with before. But, at the same time it's the plans weaving their way through his mind like delicate webs.]
The situation happened while we were in Shaarnath. Likely caused by the reveal of the city. I believe it's public knowledge what the world below looks like. To find an ancient enemy survived...not being the last didn't matter to them in the face of old hate.
While many understand the Arehtei are not beings of destruction, you will find those who will think it anyway. It's human nature. Whether these thoughts are brought about by desire for power, sorrow, rage, hate, or even fear. Or perhaps even a desire to shatter the chains of something vast over their heads...
[He stares at his own hands, seeing the past Peromei had showed him in his mind's eyes. The terrible destruction played out again in the thunder of hooves and shouts of the soldiers.] Some will fall to the 'darkness in the hearts of man'. Just as they did in their history before the Calamity or 'Emotional Disturbance' as Thras called it.
Only Daimonia and Thras possibly remember what happened to cause this world to fall. Whether they'll tell us or not. Perhaps some wreckage of civilization survived. But I don't need my luck to say these events in motion right now are reflections of that time.
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[Which shouldn't really surprise anyone. If he'd been in Verens, that would've been a different story. He listens intently to what Nagito says, not really getting everything but understanding enough to be disgusted.]
So, you're telling me that they fought against the Arehtei before and when Shaarnath appeared they just assumed something bad and attacked?
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I believe there were anti-factions before. Or at the very least at some point the frustrations of those unhappy with the Arehtei grew to a head. And you're familiar with what we've said about Arehtei coming here, are you not?
[Lloyd seems to be parsing what he's saying but he's still not taking it as fast as he would if it were a class trial.]
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I can understand about people being dissatisfied with how the Arehtei could be in the past, I guess. That makes some sense, but not for now.
No, I'm not really sure what that means? I mean, I heard about what happened with Sosyne showed up. She was really angry and destroyed a lot of buildings and stuff. But... I mean, I've only seen Thras appear and the others were just here already. Plus, some of the stuff that people talk about doesn't really get clarified really well for me to understand it, so I just...don't bother with it.
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Idiots.]
Originally, all but Thras and Daimonia were corrupted. Even Elios. Each time an emotional swing happens, one of the Arehtei comes here. Elios was cleansed by love but not before causing a lot of destruction.
Peromei we lured away from the city and she brought forth a maze. Sosyne raged and caused others to rage...
I only heard it got worse as the battle between her and Elios raged on. Elios shielded her. But that's not the important part.
Now imagine... [He picks up his spoon and holds it just on the top of his coffee.]
This is how it was. And as they grew unhappy with their society, including the Arehtei... [He slowly lowers the spoon into the liquid.]
Peromei said 'darkness took the hearts of man'. Connected as deeply as they are to humans, what do you think happened to them in the process?
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But the explanation makes sense to Lloyd. And he can't do much else but frown.]
When people are corrupt, everything else gets corrupted too. Don't have to be a genius to understand that.
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Well, I don't know anyone that likes to be forced to feel a lot of negative things, so they probably attacked in response. I mean, they have two sides, right? Like Thras has courage and cowardice and Peromei has hope and despair. So, if they were filled with too much negative, they'd be more likely to do negative things.
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Still.
After a second the smile vanishes as he continues in an almost casual tone.]
Mm, something like that! This is where it gets a little tricky. The way Thras talked about it differs from what Peromei showed me. I would consider it much closer to the sheer weight of the negativity they endured caused a mental breakdown in all of them.
Including, the world herself. Possibly. It's a theory of mine that the Arehtei include the World's Consciousness. It would make sense! Naturally I can't confirm it since Simpathis seems not only protected but the other Arehtei say little about their nature!
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The swift change is just as disturbing for its timing more than anything else, but he realizes that he does trust his friend but something about the conversation has caused the strange behavior.]
Well, I'm sure that it's different from two of them because they're not the same. They'd look at the same thing differently. Like you and I could see the identical stuff and still not see it exactly the same way. That's the way it works in my experience.
But what you're saying is that all the negative emotions caused them all to go crazy? And who's this Simpathis? I've never heard of that before.